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taobenli -

Hello-

I've only posted once on this board before, in the Chinese music section. I was thankful for your
recommendations of artists and the website YYMP3. I am listening to Xu Wei right now....

I have another question for the China academics. I graduated from a small college in Wisconsin in
East Asian Languages and Cultures (mostly Chinese, I also speak some Japanese after living there
for a year). During college I participated in the Associated Colleges in China program at Beijing
College of Economics and Business for a semester (a program I highly recommend, but a warning that
it is INTENSE).

I am also very interested in Korea (North and South) and am especially interested in the
China-Korea relationship. My goals are to have a good grasp of the history of inter-Asian
relations and Asian anthropology. I hope to speak and read Chinese and Korean fluently, and read
Japanese well. I got a fellowship to study Korean Studies at the graduate level at a great U.S.
school next year (an M.A. program- I will probably apply for a PhD program later). I will be
enrolled in an intensive Korean language program over the summer (in the U.S.), and am already
starting to make plans for next summer. I would like to apply for a fellowship to study both
Chinese and Korean (at different times) during the summer. I would probably go to a university in
Seoul, and probably Beijing for Chinese (I love the culture there but the pollution REALLY got to
me).

Does anyone know of any fellowships at the graduate level to try applying to? Also, can anyone
recommend an intensive summer program that is not in Beijing (I would love a place like Kunming,
for example)?

Thank you!

taobenli



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Spam removed. Roddy










confucius -

Wouldn't it be better for you to study in Jilin province?
I'm thinking specifically of Yanbian University in Yanji, where you could study Mandarin and
practice both your Chinese and Korean in the same vicinity.
Just a thought.










taobenli -

Interesting idea. Thanks!

Do you have any experience with Yanbian University?










confucius -

No, I just know that Yanji is a place where the Korean ethnic minority (and some North Korean
refugees) lives in harmony with Mandarin speaking Hans. As for Yanbian University, I have a city
map of Yanji and that appears to be the only college in town.
Good luck!












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1ukesama -

how do I indicate the tones when I'm typing? I mean, not as numbers, but the actual signs on top
of the letters?

Thank you ^_^



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roddy -

I'm currently looking at putting small amounts of advertising on the site - nothing intrusive,
just text links at the top and bottom of the page. These will probably be to Amazon and maybe one
or two other companies. While I never expect the site to make a profit (if i charged this site an
hourly rate it would owe me $$$$) I do want it to be able to pay for its webhosting and maybe a
little extra.

I obviously want to show relevant stuff - there's no point touting cookery books on a site
dedicated to Chinese stuff - so it'll all be learning Chinese books / novels about China / Chinese
learning software / DVDs etc.

I also want the stuff to actually be good - I don't want to be recommending rubbish, any more than
vistors want to be buying it. So, I'm asking - what textbooks / software, etc, have you used and
would recommend?

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roddy -

Ok, they're there now. Let me know what you think.

Roddy










sudasana -

Very unobtrusive, Roddy.










Dink -

Ya ditto - didn't even notice them until now!










roddy -



Quote:

didn't even notice them until now!



Quote:

Very unobtrusive

Hmmm, but if nobody notices them, I'm not going to make any cash, am I . . .

Maybe they should look like this










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That may just be a bit much! What about a box of some kind? Different text? (anything but red!)
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smithsgj -

> except maybe smithsgj

Oooh I don't know, I think I understand some of what has been said!

What Ala and the Hanyu Pinyin rules are saying is that there is a sound /u/ which is represented
in eg 路 as 'u' and in 五 as 'wu'. Quest says that whatever the spelling convention, u and wu
are the same sound, but he would represent that sound phonologically as /wu/. So phonologically
五 is /wu/, and 路 is /lwu/.

Oops, not quite what Quest intended!

Guys, 五 is not pronounced like English 'woo' (the old-fashioned word meaning to chat someone
up). The vowel in 五 is much purer -- your lips are so rounded, they're almost in a whistling
position. Now I know /w/ is a glide and /u/ is a vowel, but the lip positions and just about
everything else about the two sounds is identical. There is simply no way you can claim to
distinguish a /w/ immediately before a pure /u/, because they are to all intents and purposes the
same thing.



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ala -

Exactly.










Quest -



Quote:

So phonologically 五 is /wu/, and 路 is /lwu/.

Oops, not quite what Quest intended!

路 is l-u4-lu4 (le-wu-lu4)

same thing, if you spell it out.

伍仪遇一医
so u agree with "ooo eee uuuu eee eee" ?










smithsgj -



Quote:

路 is l-u4-lu4 (le-wu-lu4)

same thing, if you spell it out.

So, if it made sense to write "L五", a possible reading would be 路 (ignoring tone diff). And
路 has two phones or segments, /l/ and /u/, not three, a bit like the English word 'loo'. So 五
has one phone or segment, same as 路 without the /l/.



Quote:

伍仪遇一医

maybe ooo wee... you were thinking ooo yee...?










Quest -

I think I've made it clear, either you trust me or you do not. Just ask around. Smithsgj, Pinyin
does not work the same way as English. 路 is spelled lu but it is read le-woo-lu not le-ooo-lu;
the pinyin "u" is read "woo" not "ooo". Just like Xiong would be Xi-Yi-Ong not X-iong.
Also, FYI, the lips do not stay constant when you say wu, they move from w to ooo slightly, from
bigger circle to smaller circle(same thing for "u" alone).

PS: there's a chance that your "woo" might not really sound like my "woo", and your "w" sound is
not the "w" sound I have in mind. That could be the reason why we couldn't agree with each other.

伍仪遇一医 is
Woo3 Yee2 Yuu4 Yee1(4) Yee1
ask the person next to you to enunciate it for you.












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Quote:

PS: there's a chance that your "woo" might not really sound like my "woo", and your "w" sound is
not the "w" sound I have in mind. That could be the reason why we couldn't agree with each other.

That is very likely.










eric -

it's not quite like woo (like you might woot, woosh). the w is softer, and in words like wei, the
w is almost like a v. if you press your front teeth down on your inner-lower lip like the v sound,
you should be able to get it.

i think in taiwan it's actually less like v and more like the w we know.










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by eric

the w is softer, and in words like wei, the w is almost like a v.


Indeed it is. When watching CCTV dramas, I often find actors pronouncing the "w" almost biting
their low lips, so much so that the 問 in 我問你 almost sounds like "ven". I think this is
strange.

But I still agree with Quest's views.










ala -

所谓“把一些带 w [ u ] 的音，读成 v ”，并不是英语那种唇齿摩擦音 [ v ]
。它只是在合口呼零声母的位置上出现了轻微的唇齿动作，丝毫没有摩擦音�
��痕迹。唇齿无擦通音国际音标是花体的 .

Calling it a "v" will give people the wrong idea of its being a possible alternative (as mostly
Beijingers have this problem, and the Beijing dialect is the basis of standard Mandarin in the
PRC). This might possibly influence certain people to pronounce it like a full blown English v,
particularly the Beijingers themselves, generating a great deal of confusion for all. It is
instead more like a lisp, a nonstandard habit. Most of those speakers are not aware at all, to
them they are pronouncing the pinyin "w" as taught to them during grade school. And it is not a [
v ] anyway.

The English "v" is voiced; and as we should all know, Mandarin has no voiced consonants except
sometimes for the d in 我的、他的、etc.










eric -

I just think w + v is a good way to describe the sound compared to just ignoring the consonant.

By saying it's akin to a lisp, do you mean that the accent where it sounds like a V is not the
proper accent (a kind of Chinese lisp)?












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Ian_Lee -

In the lonelyplant forum, there are always topics about westerners dating Chinese girls.

But seldom is there any topic related to Chinese guy dating western girl.

When I was in my sophomore year studying in a university in the deep South, I had dated American
girl.

The most unforgettable experience was that during the first date, she asked me to pick her up at
her place. She hadn't dressed yet and asked me to wait for her to change.

I still remembered that she changed clothes inside the bathroom without closing the door.

The relationship didn't work out. (However, I came across her on campus two years later and she
was very eager to give me her new phone number even in front of her boyfriend.) But after so many
years, I still wonder if she hinted something that night?



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Quest -

Ian_Lee when was that?










39degN -

gone with the wind, right?










Ian_Lee -

Quest and 39degN:

Did you two ever date girls not from your own cultural background?

I have dated American gal, ABC gal, HK gals, Taiwan gals and Singaporean and Malaysian gals (even
though the latter four can all speak some forms of Chinese language, their cultural backgrounds
are somewhat different). I would say the approaches towards them during dating games have to be
somewhat varied.










Quest -

我比较专一。










Ian_Lee -

Quest:

After you get married, you should be faithful to your spouse. But not before the marriage.

There are so many birds in the forest, why just hold on to the bird in your palm?










39degN -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Ian_Lee

Quest and 39degN:

Did you two ever date girls not from your own cultural background?


i mean no offence, but,
first of all, this is private
then, no exhibitionism
lastly, i dont think it's a appropriate topic for here.
i m sorry!










Lu -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Ian_Lee

In the lonelyplant forum, there are always topics about westerners dating Chinese girls.

But seldom is there any topic related to Chinese guy dating western girl.
(...)


I suppose that is because most Chinese-Western relationships are between a Western man and a
Chinese woman. You very rarely see it the other way around.










geek_frappa -

there is a discussion of these type of issues here, too.
http://www.goldsea.com/Air/Issues/Females/females.html

the page with more links to Love and Relationships...










Ian_Lee -

Lu wrote:



Quote:

I suppose that is because most Chinese-Western relationships are between a Western man and a
Chinese woman. You very rarely see it the other way around.

Why can't it be both way? By 2020, there will be 30-40 million Chinese guys without spouses. They
should look for more sources and don't confine their targets to only Chinese girls.












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ZhuGeLiang70 -

I have been studying mandarin for more than 8 years in my spare time. When I listen to the
advanced lessons at chinesepod.com I can understand 98%.

I am now stationed temporary at a university in China. Sometimes when the guys at the lab where I
work speak to each other, my listening comprehension is close to 0%. I can even be difficult to
hear that it is mandarin.

The problem with for example chinesepod and other sources is that most of it is recorded in
perfectly pronounced mandarin. This is good for beginners but not for advanced students. I'm
therefor looking for some study material recording in regional accents of mandarin.

Any ideas?



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calibre2001 -

Just keep talking to people. Listening comprehension will naturally improve. It's all about
getting used to.










imron -

Check out the thread regarding the Grand First Episode Project.

For shows with regional accents, I would take a look at 士兵突击 and 武林外传

You might also be interested in Princess Remy's podcasts.










Lu -

Where in China are you, or where are your colleagues from? Maybe some people here can give you
some pointers on what they would pronounce differently. That's assuming they're speaking Mandarin
to each other: if they are all from the same non-Mandarin-speaking area, they might be speaking in
fangyan and then it'd be strange if you did understand.
Is this your first time in China? If so, I think it's not so strange that you have some difficulty
understanding. Don't be discouraged. Just keep listening, when you get used to their accent
(assuming it's just an accent), things will get better.










zozzen -

bingo! As a member in this forum put it in another thread, bad (accented) mandarin is everywhere
in china and it's almost impossible to communicate with everyone with perfect mandarin accent.

The accents of mandarin can be divided into these categories. If your mandarin is good enough, go
to the following area for a month and you should find it fairly easy to adapt to local mandarin
accent (not dialects)

雲貴川 (Sichuan, Yunnan, Guizhou) -- The dialects (西南官話) in these areas are very close
to putonghua. My friend from Sichuan often speak Sichuanese to another guy from Kunming and they
are okay to communicate with each other.

廣東/廣西/湖南/ 湖北/ 台灣 (南部) - Their dialects are very different from putonghua
and different from each other, but their putonghua shares many common "southern" characteristics
-- always confused with xi, si , chi, zhi , ji , and "r" sound is very light.

東北, 江浙 should have their accents too, but i have no ideas about it.












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Quote:

lazy students


Maybe they do have a point about this, and many of us westerners don't do much to prove them wrong.



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simonlaing -

A friend of mine had a wedding over the weekend and I wanted to share some of the post wedding
(nao dong fang games) we played as it could help others when it is their turn.

(We didn't do the bum or the shoe game though it sounds like a great game.

I tried to get them to make numbers on the bed with their bodies but it was not crazy enough.

We did do the egg roll, which was espicially amusing when it got stuck in the crotch area.

We did the blind fold the groom and find 5 chocolates on the bride's body . Without hands the
trick was to smell them out.

We tied a string with a chocolate on the end to the groom's belt. The blindfolded bride on her
knees had to catch the chocolate in her mouth while the groom gyrated back and forth. (it took
some coordination and sexy hips)

The next game was rolling a towel. The groom lay on the bed with a face towel on his stomach, one
end of the towel had been started to be rolled. The bride had to use her body to finish rolling
the towel all the way up.

Last game was fishing a chopstick out of a bottle of water. Make sure the bottle's mouth is wide
enough.

There was problem with the bride's dress, so we couldn't play cross dressing or undress in the
bathroom and let us steal your clothes.

We also didn't play the Japanese invades the bedroom, as I think it is a bit racist, (and we
didn't have props).

They vowed revenge on me when I have my wedding in the fall. But it was a good time.

Have fun,
Simon



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1st I had to buy off the family to get to the wife with the envelopes of money under the door

Then after carrying her for what seemed like ages to the car in a suit and summer heat we drove
very slowly in our motorcade to the hotel. Then after photos with EVERYONE individually we sat
down to eat.

After food I was forced into getting on stage and showing off my nonexistent Chinese language
skills, I had to toast at each table downing a shot of a very strong, clear Chinese spirit. I got
away with water until I got rumbled about 75% of the way round

Then onto the games;

1st I was taken off by the bride friends, stripped from the waste up, written on with lipstick,
given a basket hat to wear and a fake penis made from a sausage.


Then in a room full of clapping people my wife needed to eat the sausage without using her hands!

Then we had a tray of flour with a ping-pong ball in the middle, we stood either end and on the
"go" command we needed to blow it to the other person’s side. Obviously we got covered in flour
and apparently this showed how we would look in old age, all greyed up!

We also did the hidden sweets/blindfold game, the swinging chocolate game, the two eggs up the
trousers game, and another game where I had a chopstick in-between my legs and a bottle in between
hers. I needed to get the chopstick in the bottle. And once the chopstick was in the bottle it was
filled with water so only the tip of the chopstick was sticking out. We needed to get it out using
only our tounges.

After that we were put in an adjoining room and both had to strip and chuck onlookers our clothes
while hiding behind a blanket when everyone watched. Once naked, they threw our clothes back and
closed the door, giving us 60 seconds to get changed before they burst in.

After the quick change, my personal fav I have to wear my wife’s bra (which wasn’t available
so I used my mother’s) stuffed with two balloons, whilst walking round the very expensive hotel
bashing cymbals and handing out cigarettes and sweet to random embarrassed hotel guests until the
plate was empty. I met some very polite guests and some (army/police) guests who were way too
serious and wouldnt accept my gift to them. They looked very annoyed and tried to avoid me and
pretended they couldnt see me when I spoke to them

Add this to the karaoke, mah-jong and haggling for stuff even on the wedding day, and it was a
very tiring day!










baoluo -

Yeah same here. Eat. Toast everyone. Get smashed.
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
etc...

Each had to come up with something that the bride and groom had to do. One involved an upsidedown
glass of beer on a placemat, then the groom had to find a way to drink it all without lifting it.
Eventually the father was helping him by holding him by his shirt collar and...er... "aiming
him"... the bride handled the beer and moved the upsidedown glass to the edge to let the beer
trickle out.

It was the only game they actually had a measure of success at.










lilongyue -

Seems like I got off easy at my wedding! We didn't do the egg thing, or the strip game/cross
dressing thing (weird!), but did the blindfolded candy search. I had to carry my wife under a red
string three times without touching it. I also had to carry her on my back, running around the
room shouting "我去媳妇了！" while my wife shouted "我去嫁人！" and beat a pot with a
big metal spoon.












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Candle Stores, New Age Books in Beijing
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david2885 -

1. Does anybody know where I can get some various colored candles, preferrably some stores close
to BLCU or subway stations? I've tried looking in Wudaokou and Jinwuxing, but I was only able to
find some red/white candles.

2. I want to buy a couple of Cyndi Dale books on chakras, but haven't been able to find any from
the 3rd floor of the Wangfujing Bookstore. Does anybody know of a New Age bookstore around
Beijing, or if it's possible to get the bookstores to order books for you? I haven't seen that
many new age books around, and I'm not sure if it's due to lack of interest or government
restrictions on certain types of books.

Thanks in advance!



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Seems to not be in fashion to use candles here. The only ones I usually see are either utilitarian
or Christmas candles. I did find some in Ikea furniture store that were different colours and
scents.












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籍, 公民，民族
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HSC -

If I write 中国籍美国人, does this mean a person born in China but who now holds American
citizenship?

Also, there seems to be a fine line between the distinction of nationality and citizenship. 民族
can represent an ethnic group or more generally can be defined as nationality or even as a
"people".

An example from dict.cn is 中国人民是一个勤劳的民族 = The Chinese are industrious
people.

Here, 民族 collectively refers to the Chinese people, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.

Also, the application form for a visa to the PRC asks for current nationality (现有国籍) and
former nationality (曾有国籍). I think in this context it means "citizenship" (公民), right?



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Quote:

If I write 中国籍美国人, does this mean a person born in China but who now holds American
citizenship?

No, exactly the other way around. 籍 refers to the country to which you hold the papers and thus
nationality. Hence the bamboo radical, because such papers used to be bamboo slips.










monto -

A 中国籍美国人 should be understood as an American with Chinese citizenship, and thus he/she
is 中国公民。
When met with "籍", we must judge what kind of "籍" it is from the context
1）国籍 —— citizenship. When "籍" follows a country name, we know it;
2）祖籍/籍贯 —— family origin. The two are similar in meaning, but 祖籍 is more remote,
concerns with one's ancesters;
3）户籍 —— place of residency registration. It is Chinese particular, it answers the
quastion “你的户口在哪？”。if you read "安徽籍民工" or something like that, you
will know it means 户籍 by "籍".

民族 —— ethnic group, to be strict. But it is often translated into English as
"nationality". I often see them together in bilingual forms. Also it is ocassionally used in
extended manner to just mean "people", of which I see mostly in the “中华民族”or the like..


An example from dict.cn is 中国人民是一个勤劳的民族 = The Chinese are industrious
people.

Here, 民族 collectively refers to the Chinese people, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.

Also, the application form for a visa to the PRC asks for current nationality (现有国籍) and
former nationality (曾有国籍). I think in this context it means "citizenship" (公民), right?












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I would like to know the symbols for a tattoo of my wifes name LINDA AND WHAT THE MEANING IN
CHINESE IS THANK YOU EDWARD



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renzhe -

They're not symbols, they are written characters of a language. You cannot write poetry or essays
using symbols.

There are various ways to transcribe "Linda" by picking random characters that sound roughly
similar. For example: 林娜 (lin na). The first character actually means "forest", the second one
means "graceful". But since this is a transcribed name, most people wouldn't read anything into
it, and accept it as a transliteration. Many native Chinese speakers might not even recognise
which name you were trying to transcribe.

Tattooing someone's name "in Chinese" is dangerous, because you're tattooing some random stuff
that might sound roughly similar to what the name actually sounds like. The name "Linda" actually
has a Spanish meaning: "cute" or "sweet", the Chinese transliteration is just an approximation of
the sound that neither sounds like the real name, nor carries the same meaning.

I'd suggest picking a beautiful font and simply tattooing "Linda" instead.










imron -

Also, please have a read of this and this to familiarize yourself with the issues involved in
converting non-Chinese names into Chinese characters.










jfranco -

Also a Chinese character can mean different things in different contexts and a single character
can often be ambiguous. I have seen women who have had the character 信, which can mean many
things. It can mean simple an article of mail as in 寄信 (ji xin - send letter) or belief as in
信赖 (xin lai - trust/have faith in).












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translating 'Fear no more'
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farfromhome -

Hi,

Basically I am looking for a translation of 'Fear No More' or 'No More Fear'. It needs to convey
the sentiment of moving from a state of fear in the past to one one of not being fearful going
forward/into the future so simply 'no fear' wouldn't capture it.

It could be a fairly literal translation of these words but if there is some short phrase, proverb
or sentiment in chinese that while not matching this but is related or captures some of the
sentiment in some way I'd be very interested to hear those suggestions also.

Many thanks in advance for any help



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不再害怕 or 不再惧怕 or 不再恐惧










semantic nuance -

How about 無所畏懼了?










farfromhome -

Thanks for the replies. As I've only recently started learning chinese I don't read characters
yet. Just from using a translator they all seem accurate. Would any of them read better or be any
more literate/attractive to read than the others?










robin0941 -

不再害怕 or 不再惧怕 or 不再恐惧

Ans: correct ,and I think in this case 不再惧怕 is the best answer

but in oral 不再害怕 is used often

and 不再 means no longer

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How about 無所畏懼了?

Ans: 無所畏懼 means don't be scared about anything
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ps. 懼=惧
the left side is the traditional chinese form
the right side is the simplified chinese form










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Quote:


Originally Posted by farfromhome

Would any of them read better or be any more literate/attractive to read than the others?


I've been thinking about this. All the suggestions from monto and semantic nuance are ok, but I
would not like any of them for, like, a tattoo.

Would "farewell to fear" do? Personally I like 告別恐懼.










farfromhome -

thanks so much for that skylee. I think that captures the sentiment of it really well












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