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Singapore president impressed at Shaolin

( 2008-08-19 )

Abbot Yongxin (left) guides Singaporean President S. R. Nathan on a tour of the Shaolin Temple on Sunday. Li Kang

Singaporean President S. R. Nathan said his visit to the Shaolin Temple in Henan province on Sunday was one of the highlights of his weeklong Olympic tour.

The 84-year-old received a warm welcome at the Buddhist monastery, which is best known for being the home of the martial art kungfu.

"I'm very glad my dream finally became a reality," Nathan told Yongxin, an abbot at the temple who led a group of monks in welcoming the president, the Xinhua News Agency reported yesterday.

While at the temple, Nathan watched the monks perform their evening chants and prayers, and offered incense to the Sakyamuni Buddha.

After watching a martial arts performance, Nathan said he was very interested in kungfu and the daily lives of the Shaolin monks.

"It's not easy for them to clear their minds of mundane concerns and focus on kungfu," he said.

But what impressed him even more was how well the temple preserves the culture of Buddhism.

"That is what I appreciate the most," he said.

Despite being thousands of kilometers away, the Shaolin Temple has maintained close relations with the Buddhist community in Singapore, Yongxin said.

For example, a TV series entitled Shaolin Monks that was co-produced by the temple and a Singaporean media company will be broadcast later this year, he said.

"I hope we can deepen our ties in the future," he said.

Nathan, who flew back to Singapore yesterday, spent three days in Henan after supporting Team Singapore in Beijing.

He told the Chinese press on July 28 that he would visit the Shaolin Temple after watching the stage production Shaolin in the Wind in Singapore.

Nathan said he was considering sending his grandson, who is a fan of martial arts, to study kungfu at the temple.

Two years ago, Russian Premier Vladimir Putin also visited Shaolin.

Some reports have claimed his daughters have been trained in the ways of kungfu by a Shaolin monk.

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Olympic Bank Note Issued

( 2008-07-10 )

A Nanjing citizen shows his commemorative Olympic bank note with a face value of 10 yuan at a local branch of Huaxia Bank. Nanjing citizens were able to exchange the note with a 10 yuan note with their ID card at eight banks in Nanjing starting on July 9, 2008.

Three Nanjing citizens show their commemorative Olympic bank notes with a face value of 10 yuan. Nanjing citizens could exchange the note with a 10 yuan note with their ID card at eight banks in Nanjing starting on July 9, 2008.

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Sanxingdui Culture

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2. Where was the source of Sanxingdui inhabitants, belonging to Diqiang, Puren, Ba, Dongyi, Yue or Sanmiao (all of these were ancient national minorities) Was there any close relationship between the stone-buried coffin culture in the upper reaches of the Ming River and Sanxingdui Is it true
that these natives came from Diqiang in the northwest and the upper reaches of the Ming River Were the Sanxingdui inhabitants’ descendants of aboriginal peoples

3. What was the ancient Shu kingdom really like What was the nature of politics and religion Was it a loose tribal military league Or was it a regional kingdom ruled by a dynasty in the central plains Was the ancient country higher than a stable, relatively independent early country Was it
the native's own kingdom which was founded in earlier time Was it governed by secular or religious authorities, or a combination of both

4. The question of the religious practices of the Sanxingdui culture was difficult to answer, based on the relics uncovered. Some think totems were involved, while some think it was nature worship without any totems, while others believe religious worship was a complex system involving nature
worship, ancestor worship and god worship. Sanxingdui reflects a system in which a multi-level political center formed a net-like structure.

5. How did the miraculous bronze smelting technique and the culture symbolized by the Sanxingdui bronze ware come into being Are they the results of the ancient Shu people's independent development, or were they affected by near-by countries, especially the central plains' culture Or was it the
result of adopting foreign cultures, such as those from other parts of Asia Many scholars thought the bronze ware represented a combination of ancient Shu culture and foreign culture, but with the local factors dominant.

6. How long did the ancient kingdom last Why did it disappear suddenly Which lasted the longest - the Yufu, Duyu or Kaiming Dynasty Generally, people thought there was a long development course. It lasted more than 1,000 years, and had a close relationship with several ancient Shu dynasties in
legends. Maybe it had disappeared by the end of the Shang Dynasty. The reason of its disappearance may be a regime change. Later, the center of politics and culture moved to Chengdu and its nearby areas.

7. What is the age and nature of the two sacrificial pits Did it originate in the period of the Shang Dynasty, Western Zhou, Spring and Autumn Dynasty, or the Warrior States The tendency in academic circles is to accept the origin as being in the Shang Dynasty. It means pit No. 1 was created at
about the time of the first period of the Yin Ruins. Pit No.2 was equivalent to the second period of the Yin Ruins. Regarding the nature of the pits, some said they were for burial, while others have suggested they were merely utensil pits. But, the most accepted idea is that the two pits were
sacrificial, and were where the ancient Shu people offered grand sacrifices. The aim of their worship was heaven, or earth, or the gods, or the ancestors. The changing aim of worship is related to regime changes.

Many unearthed utensils of the Spring and Autumn Dynasty, and the Warrior States in Sichuan had some designs and insignias, which were called "Ba Shu picture words." Are they tribal words Are they pictures or some special symbols Maybe parts of them had the meaning of words. An understanding of
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The Museum tells the story of ancient Beijing, which has served as a capital city for more than 850 years. The Museum is second only to China National Museum in terms of size.

The Capital Museum houses more than 200,000 cultural relics, recording the 500,000-year human history of Beijing, the city's 3,000-year history and its eight centuries as the capital of China. There is no other place like the Capital Museum of Beijing where people can see how life was in ancient
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Mu Guiying was a famous woman general of the Northern Song Dynasty (960-1127). Mu Guiying was reluctant to accept the assignment of the Emperor for her to fight as marshal in the war out of dissatisfaction with the unfair treatment rendered by the imperial court to the generals of the Yang family.
She later took her grandmother She Taijun's advice and changed her mind by leading her troops into the battlefield.

Distressed and heart-broken upon hearing the sad and surprising news that her beloved husband and Chief Marshal, Yang Zongbao, was dead in battlefield, Mu Guiying vowed to protect the frontier, in order to carry out her husband's wish, by taking the lead in exploring the deep valley. As a result,
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She Taijun was a famous woman general of the Northern Song Dynasty (960-1127). Under the circumstances when Yang Zongbao, her grandson, was shot dead in battlefield and the frontier was endangered, She Taijun, with state security as her top priority, led woman generals of the Yang family to fight
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smithsgj -

> except maybe smithsgj

Oooh I don't know, I think I understand some of what has been said!

What Ala and the Hanyu Pinyin rules are saying is that there is a sound /u/ which is represented
in eg 路 as 'u' and in 五 as 'wu'. Quest says that whatever the spelling convention, u and wu
are the same sound, but he would represent that sound phonologically as /wu/. So phonologically
五 is /wu/, and 路 is /lwu/.

Oops, not quite what Quest intended!

Guys, 五 is not pronounced like English 'woo' (the old-fashioned word meaning to chat someone
up). The vowel in 五 is much purer -- your lips are so rounded, they're almost in a whistling
position. Now I know /w/ is a glide and /u/ is a vowel, but the lip positions and just about
everything else about the two sounds is identical. There is simply no way you can claim to
distinguish a /w/ immediately before a pure /u/, because they are to all intents and purposes the
same thing.



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ala -

Exactly.










Quest -



Quote:

So phonologically 五 is /wu/, and 路 is /lwu/.

Oops, not quite what Quest intended!

路 is l-u4-lu4 (le-wu-lu4)

same thing, if you spell it out.

伍仪遇一医
so u agree with "ooo eee uuuu eee eee" ?










smithsgj -



Quote:

路 is l-u4-lu4 (le-wu-lu4)

same thing, if you spell it out.

So, if it made sense to write "L五", a possible reading would be 路 (ignoring tone diff). And
路 has two phones or segments, /l/ and /u/, not three, a bit like the English word 'loo'. So 五
has one phone or segment, same as 路 without the /l/.



Quote:

伍仪遇一医

maybe ooo wee... you were thinking ooo yee...?










Quest -

I think I've made it clear, either you trust me or you do not. Just ask around. Smithsgj, Pinyin
does not work the same way as English. 路 is spelled lu but it is read le-woo-lu not le-ooo-lu;
the pinyin "u" is read "woo" not "ooo". Just like Xiong would be Xi-Yi-Ong not X-iong.
Also, FYI, the lips do not stay constant when you say wu, they move from w to ooo slightly, from
bigger circle to smaller circle(same thing for "u" alone).

PS: there's a chance that your "woo" might not really sound like my "woo", and your "w" sound is
not the "w" sound I have in mind. That could be the reason why we couldn't agree with each other.

伍仪遇一医 is
Woo3 Yee2 Yuu4 Yee1(4) Yee1
ask the person next to you to enunciate it for you.












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PS: there's a chance that your "woo" might not really sound like my "woo", and your "w" sound is
not the "w" sound I have in mind. That could be the reason why we couldn't agree with each other.

That is very likely.










eric -

it's not quite like woo (like you might woot, woosh). the w is softer, and in words like wei, the
w is almost like a v. if you press your front teeth down on your inner-lower lip like the v sound,
you should be able to get it.

i think in taiwan it's actually less like v and more like the w we know.










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by eric

the w is softer, and in words like wei, the w is almost like a v.


Indeed it is. When watching CCTV dramas, I often find actors pronouncing the "w" almost biting
their low lips, so much so that the 問 in 我問你 almost sounds like "ven". I think this is
strange.

But I still agree with Quest's views.










ala -

所谓“把一些带 w [ u ] 的音，读成 v ”，并不是英语那种唇齿摩擦音 [ v ]
。它只是在合口呼零声母的位置上出现了轻微的唇齿动作，丝毫没有摩擦音�
��痕迹。唇齿无擦通音国际音标是花体的 .

Calling it a "v" will give people the wrong idea of its being a possible alternative (as mostly
Beijingers have this problem, and the Beijing dialect is the basis of standard Mandarin in the
PRC). This might possibly influence certain people to pronounce it like a full blown English v,
particularly the Beijingers themselves, generating a great deal of confusion for all. It is
instead more like a lisp, a nonstandard habit. Most of those speakers are not aware at all, to
them they are pronouncing the pinyin "w" as taught to them during grade school. And it is not a [
v ] anyway.

The English "v" is voiced; and as we should all know, Mandarin has no voiced consonants except
sometimes for the d in 我的、他的、etc.










eric -

I just think w + v is a good way to describe the sound compared to just ignoring the consonant.

By saying it's akin to a lisp, do you mean that the accent where it sounds like a V is not the
proper accent (a kind of Chinese lisp)?












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Maybe they do have a point about this, and many of us westerners don't do much to prove them wrong.



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I would like to know the symbols for a tattoo of my wifes name LINDA AND WHAT THE MEANING IN
CHINESE IS THANK YOU EDWARD



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renzhe -

They're not symbols, they are written characters of a language. You cannot write poetry or essays
using symbols.

There are various ways to transcribe "Linda" by picking random characters that sound roughly
similar. For example: 林娜 (lin na). The first character actually means "forest", the second one
means "graceful". But since this is a transcribed name, most people wouldn't read anything into
it, and accept it as a transliteration. Many native Chinese speakers might not even recognise
which name you were trying to transcribe.

Tattooing someone's name "in Chinese" is dangerous, because you're tattooing some random stuff
that might sound roughly similar to what the name actually sounds like. The name "Linda" actually
has a Spanish meaning: "cute" or "sweet", the Chinese transliteration is just an approximation of
the sound that neither sounds like the real name, nor carries the same meaning.

I'd suggest picking a beautiful font and simply tattooing "Linda" instead.










imron -

Also, please have a read of this and this to familiarize yourself with the issues involved in
converting non-Chinese names into Chinese characters.










jfranco -

Also a Chinese character can mean different things in different contexts and a single character
can often be ambiguous. I have seen women who have had the character 信, which can mean many
things. It can mean simple an article of mail as in 寄信 (ji xin - send letter) or belief as in
信赖 (xin lai - trust/have faith in).












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Hi everyone

Im researching an ancient chinese tribe, and i want to know how to pronounce their name in simple
english letters...Can someone tell me how to pronounce these two words please:

月氏, and 月支

Would appreciate as many responses as possible...because i keep finding different answers

Thanks

Peace out



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dsrguru -

月氏 ("moon clan") is transcribed as yuè shì in the Hanyu Pinyin romanization system. 月支
("moon division" perhaps?) is yuè zhī. You won't be able to pronounce either phrase correctly if
you aren't familiar with Hanyu Pinyin and Mandarin pronunciation in general. 月 sounds something
like "yweh", 氏 sounds something like "sher" (with the 'r' pronounced as in American English),
and 支 sounds something like "jer". You almost certainly won't be understood by a Chinese
speaker, though, unless you were to use the proper tones.










largerman -

月氏 should be read as yuè zhī, but only in this word.
月氏 is the name of a race on China's history.










liuxf -

月 should be read as ru2(like 如).












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Conversational Chinese 301







Paperback, 198 pages
ISBN10: 7561914032
ISBN13:
Publication Date: 2005-7
Annotation language: English
Language skill: Speaking, Integrated
Level: Beginner
Category: Chinese Textbooks for Adults - Integrated Textbooks
Medium: Paper


Conversational Chinese 301 was first published in 1990. Its revised edition, included in the
series of "BLCU choice textbook for learners overseas", was published in 1998. Conversational
Chinese 301 has several different versions, including versions annotated in English, in French, in
Japanese, and in Korean etc., and the sales of all these versions added up to over 300,000 copies.
It is regarded as the most popular Chinese textbooks for foreigners all over the world at present.
The third edition of Conversational Chinese 301 is divided into two volumes: Volume 1 and Volume
2. Versions of the third edition annotated in different languages will be published successively
to satisfy the various needs of learners of Chinese all over the world.


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Does anyone know of dealers in Chinese antiquarian books? China has a very long history of
printing, so I would think there must be a market, but I'm not sure where to look...

Thanks!



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roddy -

Are you maybe confusing antiquarian with archaeological?










889 -

In English, "antiquarian books" are books which are themselves antiques, not books about
antiquities.

In Beijing, the various branches of the Cathay Book Store 中国书店 have plenty of ordinary
used books as well as a small collection of antiquarian books.

http://www.zgsd.net

The most interesting antiquarian books are usually reserved for auction and you'll find an online
exhibition of some of the books held for auction at the bottom of this page -- just click on a
book for more information.

http://www.zgsd.net/channel2.shtml












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Mandolin Bee -

Hello! I started learning Chinese via Rosetta Stone only two days ago! ^_^ I'm pleased to have
found this forum.

I've tried the search function, but unfortunately it came back with so many results and the first
two pages didn't quite have what I needed.

I've read various descriptions of how to pronounce the Chinese 'r' sound, and through
experimentation and audio examples, I'm inclined to believe that it is VERY close if not identical
to the French 'r'.

You think this might be a good way to think about it, or should I abandon this association before
I have it's a habit?

I hope this made sense.

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dalaowai -

Hi Mandolin Bee,

I'm a native French speaker and the R in French and Mandarin are not alike.

The R sound in French requires you to make a rolling noise in the back of your throat, whereas in
Mandarin it does not.

With that being said, many non-native French speakers who learn to speak French are never able to
make that rolling sound, which in turn sounds very similar to how the R sound should be pronounced
in Mandarin.

I hope this helps. Good luck!










mirgcire -

What better way to learn how to pronounce "r" than a picture? (I have spent hours trying to figure
out how to draw this diagram, so I welcome any feedback: positive or negative.)

The key to pronouncing the mandarin "r" is tongue position. The sound similar to the English "r",
but the tongue position gives it a kind of buzzy quality.

As you can see from the diagram, the tip of the tongue is near those little bumps above the teeth.
The buzziness comes from the air flowing through the constriction formed by the tip of the tongue
and the roof of the mouth.

The word "ri" (日) is a good place to start. This word is pronounced without moving the tongue at
all. Just position your tongue like the diagram and try to say "er". Now try it again with a
falling tone and you should be pretty close.



Hope this helps










Lu -

I'd describe it as between the English r and the French j (as in jean or je).










Mandolin Bee -

Thank you all very much. ^_^ Tongue positions don't seem to help me much. I guess I'll just
continue to try and mimic Rosetta Stone and perhaps over time it will become easier.










Colossus -

I think the tongue position is perfect. However, the picture is a little difficult since it's not
three dimensional.

However, the poster was exactly right when he said it is all about tongue position. When you say
an American "r", your tongue is curled and much further back than the "r" in Chinese.










realmayo -

Thinking it's similar to the "ge" at the end of "garage" helps me.
Thinking it's similar to "r" at the start of "run" is utterly unhelpful for getting the sound
right.

Better still: follow the link http://www.sinosplice.com/lang/pronunciation/04/ to John Pasden's
Sinosplice site, from which the below paragraph is pulled:

>> Say the word "leisure." Now focus on the end, the "-sure" part. Is your tongue pulled way back
in your mouth? It should be. And the tip of your tongue should be pointing up. Now leave off the
"-s-" and just make the "-ure" part. Did you notice how saying "-sure" made your tongue vibrate a
little but just saying "-ure" doesn't? See if you can bring back just a little of that buzzy
vibration without returning fully to the "-sure" part. <<










Mandolin Bee -

Ack.. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that the diagram was wrong or anything. Just that trying
to mimic it physically still doesn't help me produce the sound I hear in audio examples. I had
been to the site that uses the leisure example, but it didn't help either because my tongue is
neither pulled far back in my mouth at the end, nor is the tip pointed upwards, so ... yeah, the
description just didn't help.

Not trying to be argumentative. The closest I've gotten to the chinese r is with the french r (but
I can do the throat rolling thing, so that doesn't help!).

Truth is, I'm normally very good at mimicking various sounds (I can speak and sing like numerous
different people and can emulate french, spanish, and certain british accents pretty well.) It was
very easy for me to pick up the japanese 'r' sound, as it's pretty much how I approximate the
rolling spanish 'll' sound (I cannot roll my r's).

So, trying to emulate the chinese 'r' and not being able to is absolutely frustrating to me, even
if it's only a minor issue. Through perseverance, I'm sure I'll be able to. I was just looking for
a shortcut. Too bad it turned out to be no good. :P

Thanks to all of you again, I appreciate the friendly and helpful nature of the people around here.












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I’m looking to apply for a one or two semester Chinese lang course at Bei Da but the application
form asks for a Guarantor in Beijing.
Umm…..I don’t know anyone in Beijing.
Also I’m supposed to show evidence of full time Chinese language learning, which I don’t have,
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adrianlondon -

I had the same issue when I applied to BNU.

I wrote a fake letter and signed it saying I had studied Mandarin for a year part time. To be
honest, I think that was a waste of time as I could have just said I was a complete beginner. BNU
has no problems with complete beginners but I know Beida does.

I also made up a name and address in Beijing for the guarantor section. My advice is ... don't
leave anything on the form blank but don't expect anything to be checked for accuracy.










billiardsmike -

I think these types of questions on application forms are there simply because they are translated
from the domestic application forms. Asking a foreigner who is pre-paying their tuition in full to
have a Chinese resident guarantee their expenses is a little ridiculous. I and a friend listed
each other as guarantors. They never checked either of us to verify. You could probably list Santa
Claus.










adrianlondon -



Quote:

You could probably list Santa Claus.

Unless you've been a naughty boy.










imron -

Just to add something, I recall from my application back in 2002, that the guarantor is not a
financial guarantor, just someone that they can contact in case of an emergency, unfortunately,
the word they chose for this is English is a bit misleading. The Chinese is quite clear though.












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