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Out of Africa

( 2008-08-04 )

Zimbabwe is one of the more mysterious countries of the vast continent that is Africa.

It is populated by descendants of the Bantu tribes, who migrated from the north around the 10th century and evidence of their mainly pastoral lifestyle can still be seen in the ruins of Great Zimbabwe, near the present-day town of Masvingo.

The country also offers some of the best wildlife parks in southern Africa. From the forested mountains to the grasslands of Hwange National Park, from the hot Mopani Forest to the shores of Lake Kariba, they tempt tourists to explore and get close to nature.

A photographic exhibition, Chinese Photographers Walking into Africa's Paradise, is on display in Beijing until August 25.

It features 140 photographs by 12 photographers from the Chinese Photographers' Association, including Yu Yuntian, Jiang Jurong and Zhang Ye, who visited the local people, tribes and wild animals at Matopo National Park, Zambezi River and Victoria Falls.

Besides its long history and breathtaking wildlife parks, Africa also has a long Olympic history, which is being celebrated by an Africa and Olympic Culture Exhibition at Capital Library.

Using pictures, paintings, multimedia images and other means, the exhibition explores Africa's Olympic culture in depth. It documents the outstanding achievements of African athletes in previous Olympics and Paralympic Games, as well as paying tribute to their work with the International Olympic
Committee.

Chinese Photographers Walking into Africa's Paradise, at Beijing International Copyright Trade Center. 2F, Jingguang Centre, Business Buidling, Chaoyang District. 65974890

Africa and Olympic Culture Exhibition, at Capital Library, 88 Dongsanhuan Nanlu. 6735-8114 ext. 1107

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A Small Emblem with a Big Meaning

( 2008-07-14 )

The Beijing 2008 Olympic Games emblem "Dancing Beijing" is a Chinese seal. The inception of Chinese ancestors' wisdom and the image of a seal made of metal and stone allow the emblem to present Chinese people's respect and honesty for the Olympics. As a traditional saying goes, "Complete sincerity
can affect even metal and stone (literally meaning sincerity smoothes the way to success)."

"Dancing Beijing" is an image that shows the eastern ways of thinking and the nation's lasting appeal embodied in the Chinese characters. It is an expression that conveys the unique cultural quality and elegance of Chinese civilization.

With inspiration from the traditional Chinese art form -- calligraphic art, the character "Jing" (the latter of the city's name) is developed into the form of a dancing human being, reflecting the ideal of a "New Olympics." The words "Beijing 2008" also resembles the vivid shapes of Chinese
characters in handwriting, voicing in concise strokes of the countless feelings Chinese people possess towards the Olympics.

"Dancing Beijing" is a favorite color of the Chinese people. Red is the color of the Sun and the Holy Fire, representing life and a new beginning. Red is mind at ease, symbol of vitality, and China's blessing and invitation to the world. The color "red" is intensively used in the emblem, hushing
the passion up to a new level. It carries Chinese people's longing for luck and happiness and their explanation of life.

"Dancing Beijing" calls upon heroes. Olympic Games functions as the stage where heroes are made known, miracles created and glories earned, and where every participant constitutes an indispensable part of the occasion. The powerful and dynamic design of the emblem is a life poem written by all
participants with their passion, affections, and enthusiasm. It is an oath every participant takes to contribute power and wisdom to the Olympics. The emblem cheers for arts and for the Olympic heroes, who pass down the essence of the Olympic Spirit, which well connects sports and cultures.

"Dancing Beijing" extends the totem of the Chinese nation. The form of a running human being stands for the beauty and magnificence of life. Its graceful curves are like the body of a wriggling dragon, relating the past and future of one same civilization; they are like rivers, carrying the
century-old history and the nation's pride; they are like veins, pulsing with vitality of life.

The intrinsic values of sports -- athlete-centered and people-oriented -- are well defined and upgraded in an artistic way in "the dance of Beijing." We sing if words fail to explain it all, and we dance if the singing does not explicitly tell the meaning.

"Dancing Beijing" is a kind invitation. The open arms in the emblem say that China is opening its arms to welcome the rest of the world to join the Olympics, a celebration of "peace, friendship and progress of mankind."

Vigorous Beijing is looking forward to the celebration in 2008 and the Olympics wait all mankind to dance together.

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1ukesama -

how do I indicate the tones when I'm typing? I mean, not as numbers, but the actual signs on top
of the letters?

Thank you ^_^



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I'm currently looking at putting small amounts of advertising on the site - nothing intrusive,
just text links at the top and bottom of the page. These will probably be to Amazon and maybe one
or two other companies. While I never expect the site to make a profit (if i charged this site an
hourly rate it would owe me $$$$) I do want it to be able to pay for its webhosting and maybe a
little extra.

I obviously want to show relevant stuff - there's no point touting cookery books on a site
dedicated to Chinese stuff - so it'll all be learning Chinese books / novels about China / Chinese
learning software / DVDs etc.

I also want the stuff to actually be good - I don't want to be recommending rubbish, any more than
vistors want to be buying it. So, I'm asking - what textbooks / software, etc, have you used and
would recommend?

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Ok, they're there now. Let me know what you think.

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Very unobtrusive, Roddy.










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Ya ditto - didn't even notice them until now!










roddy -



Quote:

didn't even notice them until now!



Quote:

Very unobtrusive

Hmmm, but if nobody notices them, I'm not going to make any cash, am I . . .

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That may just be a bit much! What about a box of some kind? Different text? (anything but red!)
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Ian_Lee -

In the lonelyplant forum, there are always topics about westerners dating Chinese girls.

But seldom is there any topic related to Chinese guy dating western girl.

When I was in my sophomore year studying in a university in the deep South, I had dated American
girl.

The most unforgettable experience was that during the first date, she asked me to pick her up at
her place. She hadn't dressed yet and asked me to wait for her to change.

I still remembered that she changed clothes inside the bathroom without closing the door.

The relationship didn't work out. (However, I came across her on campus two years later and she
was very eager to give me her new phone number even in front of her boyfriend.) But after so many
years, I still wonder if she hinted something that night?



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Quest -

Ian_Lee when was that?










39degN -

gone with the wind, right?










Ian_Lee -

Quest and 39degN:

Did you two ever date girls not from your own cultural background?

I have dated American gal, ABC gal, HK gals, Taiwan gals and Singaporean and Malaysian gals (even
though the latter four can all speak some forms of Chinese language, their cultural backgrounds
are somewhat different). I would say the approaches towards them during dating games have to be
somewhat varied.










Quest -

我比较专一。










Ian_Lee -

Quest:

After you get married, you should be faithful to your spouse. But not before the marriage.

There are so many birds in the forest, why just hold on to the bird in your palm?










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Originally Posted by Ian_Lee

Quest and 39degN:

Did you two ever date girls not from your own cultural background?


i mean no offence, but,
first of all, this is private
then, no exhibitionism
lastly, i dont think it's a appropriate topic for here.
i m sorry!










Lu -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Ian_Lee

In the lonelyplant forum, there are always topics about westerners dating Chinese girls.

But seldom is there any topic related to Chinese guy dating western girl.
(...)


I suppose that is because most Chinese-Western relationships are between a Western man and a
Chinese woman. You very rarely see it the other way around.










geek_frappa -

there is a discussion of these type of issues here, too.
http://www.goldsea.com/Air/Issues/Females/females.html

the page with more links to Love and Relationships...










Ian_Lee -

Lu wrote:



Quote:

I suppose that is because most Chinese-Western relationships are between a Western man and a
Chinese woman. You very rarely see it the other way around.

Why can't it be both way? By 2020, there will be 30-40 million Chinese guys without spouses. They
should look for more sources and don't confine their targets to only Chinese girls.












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What activities have you done at Chinese Weddings?
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simonlaing -

A friend of mine had a wedding over the weekend and I wanted to share some of the post wedding
(nao dong fang games) we played as it could help others when it is their turn.

(We didn't do the bum or the shoe game though it sounds like a great game.

I tried to get them to make numbers on the bed with their bodies but it was not crazy enough.

We did do the egg roll, which was espicially amusing when it got stuck in the crotch area.

We did the blind fold the groom and find 5 chocolates on the bride's body . Without hands the
trick was to smell them out.

We tied a string with a chocolate on the end to the groom's belt. The blindfolded bride on her
knees had to catch the chocolate in her mouth while the groom gyrated back and forth. (it took
some coordination and sexy hips)

The next game was rolling a towel. The groom lay on the bed with a face towel on his stomach, one
end of the towel had been started to be rolled. The bride had to use her body to finish rolling
the towel all the way up.

Last game was fishing a chopstick out of a bottle of water. Make sure the bottle's mouth is wide
enough.

There was problem with the bride's dress, so we couldn't play cross dressing or undress in the
bathroom and let us steal your clothes.

We also didn't play the Japanese invades the bedroom, as I think it is a bit racist, (and we
didn't have props).

They vowed revenge on me when I have my wedding in the fall. But it was a good time.

Have fun,
Simon



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1st I had to buy off the family to get to the wife with the envelopes of money under the door

Then after carrying her for what seemed like ages to the car in a suit and summer heat we drove
very slowly in our motorcade to the hotel. Then after photos with EVERYONE individually we sat
down to eat.

After food I was forced into getting on stage and showing off my nonexistent Chinese language
skills, I had to toast at each table downing a shot of a very strong, clear Chinese spirit. I got
away with water until I got rumbled about 75% of the way round

Then onto the games;

1st I was taken off by the bride friends, stripped from the waste up, written on with lipstick,
given a basket hat to wear and a fake penis made from a sausage.


Then in a room full of clapping people my wife needed to eat the sausage without using her hands!

Then we had a tray of flour with a ping-pong ball in the middle, we stood either end and on the
"go" command we needed to blow it to the other person’s side. Obviously we got covered in flour
and apparently this showed how we would look in old age, all greyed up!

We also did the hidden sweets/blindfold game, the swinging chocolate game, the two eggs up the
trousers game, and another game where I had a chopstick in-between my legs and a bottle in between
hers. I needed to get the chopstick in the bottle. And once the chopstick was in the bottle it was
filled with water so only the tip of the chopstick was sticking out. We needed to get it out using
only our tounges.

After that we were put in an adjoining room and both had to strip and chuck onlookers our clothes
while hiding behind a blanket when everyone watched. Once naked, they threw our clothes back and
closed the door, giving us 60 seconds to get changed before they burst in.

After the quick change, my personal fav I have to wear my wife’s bra (which wasn’t available
so I used my mother’s) stuffed with two balloons, whilst walking round the very expensive hotel
bashing cymbals and handing out cigarettes and sweet to random embarrassed hotel guests until the
plate was empty. I met some very polite guests and some (army/police) guests who were way too
serious and wouldnt accept my gift to them. They looked very annoyed and tried to avoid me and
pretended they couldnt see me when I spoke to them

Add this to the karaoke, mah-jong and haggling for stuff even on the wedding day, and it was a
very tiring day!










baoluo -

Yeah same here. Eat. Toast everyone. Get smashed.
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
乾杯
etc...

Each had to come up with something that the bride and groom had to do. One involved an upsidedown
glass of beer on a placemat, then the groom had to find a way to drink it all without lifting it.
Eventually the father was helping him by holding him by his shirt collar and...er... "aiming
him"... the bride handled the beer and moved the upsidedown glass to the edge to let the beer
trickle out.

It was the only game they actually had a measure of success at.










lilongyue -

Seems like I got off easy at my wedding! We didn't do the egg thing, or the strip game/cross
dressing thing (weird!), but did the blindfolded candy search. I had to carry my wife under a red
string three times without touching it. I also had to carry her on my back, running around the
room shouting "我去媳妇了！" while my wife shouted "我去嫁人！" and beat a pot with a
big metal spoon.












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HSC -

If I write 中国籍美国人, does this mean a person born in China but who now holds American
citizenship?

Also, there seems to be a fine line between the distinction of nationality and citizenship. 民族
can represent an ethnic group or more generally can be defined as nationality or even as a
"people".

An example from dict.cn is 中国人民是一个勤劳的民族 = The Chinese are industrious
people.

Here, 民族 collectively refers to the Chinese people, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.

Also, the application form for a visa to the PRC asks for current nationality (现有国籍) and
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If I write 中国籍美国人, does this mean a person born in China but who now holds American
citizenship?

No, exactly the other way around. 籍 refers to the country to which you hold the papers and thus
nationality. Hence the bamboo radical, because such papers used to be bamboo slips.










monto -

A 中国籍美国人 should be understood as an American with Chinese citizenship, and thus he/she
is 中国公民。
When met with "籍", we must judge what kind of "籍" it is from the context
1）国籍 —— citizenship. When "籍" follows a country name, we know it;
2）祖籍/籍贯 —— family origin. The two are similar in meaning, but 祖籍 is more remote,
concerns with one's ancesters;
3）户籍 —— place of residency registration. It is Chinese particular, it answers the
quastion “你的户口在哪？”。if you read "安徽籍民工" or something like that, you
will know it means 户籍 by "籍".

民族 —— ethnic group, to be strict. But it is often translated into English as
"nationality". I often see them together in bilingual forms. Also it is ocassionally used in
extended manner to just mean "people", of which I see mostly in the “中华民族”or the like..


An example from dict.cn is 中国人民是一个勤劳的民族 = The Chinese are industrious
people.

Here, 民族 collectively refers to the Chinese people, which is comprised of many ethnic groups.

Also, the application form for a visa to the PRC asks for current nationality (现有国籍) and
former nationality (曾有国籍). I think in this context it means "citizenship" (公民), right?












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translating 'Fear no more'
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farfromhome -

Hi,

Basically I am looking for a translation of 'Fear No More' or 'No More Fear'. It needs to convey
the sentiment of moving from a state of fear in the past to one one of not being fearful going
forward/into the future so simply 'no fear' wouldn't capture it.

It could be a fairly literal translation of these words but if there is some short phrase, proverb
or sentiment in chinese that while not matching this but is related or captures some of the
sentiment in some way I'd be very interested to hear those suggestions also.

Many thanks in advance for any help



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monto -

不再害怕 or 不再惧怕 or 不再恐惧










semantic nuance -

How about 無所畏懼了?










farfromhome -

Thanks for the replies. As I've only recently started learning chinese I don't read characters
yet. Just from using a translator they all seem accurate. Would any of them read better or be any
more literate/attractive to read than the others?










robin0941 -

不再害怕 or 不再惧怕 or 不再恐惧

Ans: correct ,and I think in this case 不再惧怕 is the best answer

but in oral 不再害怕 is used often

and 不再 means no longer

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How about 無所畏懼了?

Ans: 無所畏懼 means don't be scared about anything
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ps. 懼=惧
the left side is the traditional chinese form
the right side is the simplified chinese form










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by farfromhome

Would any of them read better or be any more literate/attractive to read than the others?


I've been thinking about this. All the suggestions from monto and semantic nuance are ok, but I
would not like any of them for, like, a tattoo.

Would "farewell to fear" do? Personally I like 告別恐懼.










farfromhome -

thanks so much for that skylee. I think that captures the sentiment of it really well












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Questions regarding double weddings within the same year
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BGONG -

Help!!! I am having a huge crisis in my life and i need some guidance from someone with a little
more knowledge in the subject of Chinese weddings. Here's the situation. In Dec. of 2007 i
recently got engaged and planned on having my wedding on Sept. 20th. During this time my brother
was also engaged but had not set a time on when he was going to get married. Just today i found
out that my parents and him had discussed and actually planned an August wedding w/o me knowing.
Now his wedding is only going to be him and his fiance neither my family or her family is invited
to there wedding. My biggest concern is the superstition surrounding double marriages within the
same year. My fiance is filipino and her family had expressed to me that it is extremely taboo to
have weddings in the same year in regards to immediate family. My family has countered by saying
that in chinese culture this is very good luck and fortunate for both my brother and myself. As
you probably already figured out there is a huge dilemma and my family and my fiances family is
going to start off on the wrong foot which leads me to believe that double weddings is bad news
already. Now from other sources i have some agreeing w/me and others not stating that chinese
culture is for and against double weddings. Does anyone have proof or does anyone know if double
weddings in a year are good or bad luck? Please i have already caused a huge ruckus w/ my family
since they knew about my fiance's belief and i just need some clarification on whether my family
is correct or incorrect.



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Lu -

First of all, congratulations on both weddings, regardless of any complications!

Second, there might be a good solution. I don't know how set your wedding date is, but if you
could postpone it a bit, you could actually make both families happy by marrying in January 2009.
That's within the same year according to the Chinese lunar calendar, but in the new year according
to the Western calendar (which I am assuming Filipinos use).

I hope you can work this out, it would be a pity to start off on the wrong foot this way.

Edit:
Just thought of another possible option. Not sure what it's like among Chinese in the Philippines,
but in Taiwan and in China the wedding banquet (after which the family considers you married) is
well after the official wedding (after which the gov't considers you married). If that doesn't
make things overly complicated, you could perhaps split the two up (have the Chinese wedding this
year for luck, and the Filipino one later on against bad luck); or your brother could have either
of his weddings at another date.

Or
Convince your Filipino in-laws that since according to Chinese custom double weddings are good
luck, and you & your brother are both Chinese, Filipino superstition doesn't apply for you and as
long as your fiance's family doesn't have another marriage this year, everything will be fine.










BrandeX -



Quote:

good or bad luck

I just got married last week. When dealing with my wife regarding our marriage or any other
conflicts regarding some nonsensical superstition I ask her to please remember this is the 21st
century, not the 11th or w/e, and that she is a university graduate who is supposed to be educated
and not some countryside peasant girl, and shouldn't believe in such annoying baseless "ideas".
can't do this, must do that, etc. or something totally unrelated and misfortunate will happen...
you get the idea.


Needless to say this so far never works for me yet. Hahaha.











Woodpecker -

Many Congratulations to BGONG and BrandeX!!












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多少 duo1shao5 vs. duo1shao3
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roddy -

I suspect what happens is that unvoiced sounds sandwiched between two voiced sounds will become
voiced. The uo of duo and ao so shao are voiced.

That said it's not even a proper 'r', I think it's just a lazy flick back of the tongue between
the two vowel sounds which ends up sounding more like an 'r' than anything else.

And for extra credit, here's a very old topic about this kind of stuff.



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ren wei chai si - help ?
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jiazhao -

Hello,

I am illiterate in Chinese. Can someone help with this?

ren wei chai si, niu wei si (food) wang.

From young, I seem to have heard in cantonese -
yan wai choi sei, niu wai ZI (?) mong.

My guess is ZI may mean a new born bird. So the meaning is :-
Man dies for wealth, while birds die for their young.
I am likely wrong. Is there this classical version with "zi".

Thanks
jiazhao



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skylee -

The saying is the same in Mandarin and Cantonese. It means, "men die for money, birds die for
food".

The "ZI" in your post means food. Its other Cantonese pronunciation, which is much more common, is
"sik". "zi" is an older pronunciation.

Although you can't read Chinese, the whold thing in Chinese is "人為財死，鳥為食亡".










jiazhao -

Thanks for the clarification.

I've got it now. Also I do read some simple Chinese like the words you gave.

jiazhao.












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skylee -

It means "得" and should be written as "得". What input method does your friend use? Does he use
cangjie? Or stroke order? Or bopomofo?

The bopomofo (zhuyin fuhao) for "得" is "ㄉㄜ" (among others). The one for "的" is also
"ㄉㄜ" (among others).

Some people do use "得" and "的" interchangeably. It does not seem to be a Taiwan thing.



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Rhubarb -

Actually the logic behind these 的s used in lieu of 得s shouldn't be that hard to get as it's
the same logic as in : 真的.
So this usage shouldn't be looked down upon, especially by native Chinese speakers.










Lu -

I suspect your friend has seen too many typing errors and has come to believe that 的 is also
correct in this case (perhaps combined with what skylee says, the bopomofo is the same for 的 and
得). People misspell in every language, Chinese is no exception.










muyongshi -



Quote:

I suspect your friend has seen too many typing errors and has come to believe that 的 is also
correct in this case (perhaps combined with what skylee says, the bopomofo is the same for 的 and
得). People misspell in every language, Chinese is no exception.

Agreed this is all about errors and what people mispell.



Quote:

Actually the logic behind these 的s used in lieu of 得s shouldn't be that hard to get as it's
the same logic as in : 真的.
So this usage shouldn't be looked down upon, especially by native Chinese speakers.

There is not really any logic behind this as 真 is not a verb and 得 is used after a verb. And
it's not looked down upon it's just simply wrong.










Rhubarb -



Quote:

There is not really any logic behind this as 真 is not a verb and 得 is used after a verb. And
it's not looked down upon it's just simply wrong.

There is a logic and it is looked down upon.










muyongshi -

Rather than just state what you have stated before would you mind explaining the logic for us....










Rhubarb -

What? You haven't asked your teacher yet? tsk tsk!










fireball9261 -



Quote:

It's better to ask an educated native speaker but to me this is correct:
我跑得很快

and this is incorrect:
我跑的很快

IMHO, it's a typo, wherever you are.

In my experience, 我跑的很快 is correct, and 我跑得很快 is incorrect, because 得 has
some other meaning and should be used differently and not in this particular sentence and in this
way. Right now, my brain is mud after eating too well from my Xmas party with friends, so I
couldn't give you a proper example. I will try to get back to this thread later.

I am a native Chinese speaker and have seen the usage of 的, 得, 地 changes from the early 1900
to now. Generally speaking, they are used interchangeably at one time or another. However, 的 and
地 are more like each other. 地 was used primarily in early 1900's. 得 is used in a more
specific ways in the past. Nowadays, more mainland Chinese use 得 like 的 and 地 in the past. I
am not sure whether the current modern mainland Chinese text books teach it this way, or just the
usage changes due to one reason or another. Chinese language usage transforms from one period of
time to another. For example: The term "afraid" was always "害怕" (hai4 pa4), but I have seen
the term "後怕" (hou4 pa4 - afraid afterwards) used by the mainland Chinese more and more
nowadays. I feel it is OK to use this term in some places (when the fear occurred after an
incident), but not correct in many other incidences (like when one is afraid right then). However,
who am I to stand in front of the changing language usage, especially there are a few billion
mainland Chinese who are using it (even wrongly)?










atitarev -

Wow, fireball9261.

I respect the fact that you're a native speaker but you're wrong in this instance. Other native
speakers (Skylee, Muyongshi) have confirmed my point.

I know these rules about the correct usage of 的, 得 and 地 are not always followed even by
native speakers but I prefer to do the write thing.










Lu -

Fireball, I'm afraid you're mistaken, the three are often confused but in correct usage cannot be
used interchangably. A lot of people, including native speakers, get it wrong all the time, but
that still doesn't make it right. Here's a thread with explanations.












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